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Quisling and m(aj/in)or edits

Hi, I was just about to welcome you, but somebody else did it while I was editing my message!

Specifically, however, I noticed you removed Vidkun Quisling from the List of Prime Ministers of Norway. I don't know much about this, but I think it might be worth leaving in a link of some kind anyway - see the article's discussion page for more on that.

Perhaps more importantly, you marked that edit as "minor" - since it makes a substantial difference to the article's content, this might not be a good idea. There's no very solid rule, but generally, minor is used for fixes to things like grammar, spelling, or formatting, rather than content. Otherwise, people might overlook changes that they disagree with and have no chance to discuss them.

Other than that, I hope you enjoy your time as a wikipedian (but not too much...) - IMSoP 21:09, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedians from Norway

Hi there, welcome; on a hunch based on your contributions, I took the liberty of adding you to the list of Wikipedians from Norway -- hope it's correct and OK :-). --Wernher 01:55, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Nerstrand, Minnesota

Hi, and welcome to the Wikipedia! I noticed your change to Nerstrand, Minnesota. I thought it was great that you noted the talk page in your edit summary. Please see my reply to your message there. Thanks, and enjoy your day! Cribcage 15:36, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Cribcage. In fact I found your comment at Talk:Nerstrand, Minnesota before I saw your message here. You will find an answer from me at the same place. I take your point. Arnejohs 16:06, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Race

Arne, I hope you don't think I am disagreeing with you in what I wrote on the talk page for the race article. I get battered down every time that I suggest that people think a little about why race is conceptualized as it is. The attitude seems always to be that we can only dumbly report what the "experts" have to say. Since they all disagree that is never going to make for a coherent treatment. I like what is in the Encyclopedia entry you copied over. I just don't think that certain people will let us do it. (I am willing to try, however.) P0M 06:46, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Patrick, I appreciate your consistent work on improving the 'Race' article. In the long run it is the many people having the same attitude that will make Wikipedia being a credible encyclopaedia covering the common understanding even in disputed areas. But there will always be different views and even different dominating view in different regions (e.g. race seems to have a different meaning in the US of America than in Europe). If Wikipedia aims to be an authoritative encyclopaedia it therefore has to make some distinctions between dominating views and more marginal ones. Since the marginal often tends to be more active and enthusiastic (maybe particularly on the web?), the may be given too much space. --- Arnejohs 08:05, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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Unverified image

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I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the image and I'll tag it for you. Thanks, Kbh3rd 03:00, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Arnejohs, The same goes for Image:Cod catch 1950 2002.png. Where did you get it? Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 04:06, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Harp seal vandalism

Please do not delete people's work just because you don't like it. NPOV doesn't mean delete what you don't like, it means maintain a neutral point of view. Stating facts is not a point of view. Generic Player 20:54, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I do not accept the term vandalism in this case and I would like you to investigate further the POV and NPOV policy of wikipedia. Finally: I do not think it is a great idea to reintroduce the paragraph like you did. Therefore I have replaced it by a more informative one. --- Arnejohs 14:05, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See, the paragraph you deleted was not someone's opinion, it was facts. It stated the date we started the hunt this year, the fact that many people are calling for boycots, how long the hunt is going to last, and how many seals we are going to kill. That's not a point of view, its simple, accurate facts. Deleting those facts because you don't like them is vandalism. You need to investigate the NPOV policy, it is quite clear about not deleting people's work simply because you don't like it. I don't have time to read your new additions yet, so I can't comment about that. Generic Player 03:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The paragraph was:

On March 29, 2005 Canada officially began its annual seal hunt amid calls for boycott of Canadian seafood products by opposition groups. Authorities have set at maximum quota of 319,500 harp seals to be shot or clubbed to death for their fur over the next month. About 95 per cent of these will be less than three months old.

Canada did not start seal hunting in 2005, it started much earlier.
The maximum quota is not given annually, the number reflects what is left of the three year quota. 283,497 harp seals were harvested during the 2003 season and 365,971 seals were taken in 2004.
Seals are not only hunted for their fur, several other products come from the sealing.
I find no documentation of the assertion that 95% is less than three months old.

Based on this I still find your use of the term vandalism provocative. To me the paragraph clearly represents a POV. --- Arnejohs 07:10, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps this is partly a language issue. We did begin our annual hunt on march 29, 2005. Annual means it occurs every year, this is simply stating what date it started this year. And 319,500 is this years quota. If you wanted to make the article more informative, you would add the figures of the previous years, not simply delete everything. And there was a link provided regarding the fact that almost all the seals killed are less than 3 months old. The hunt is for young pups, older seals are able to escape, its the pups born this year that are hunted, this is not a POV at all. Please actually read the NPOV policy, its quite clear, you are not supposed to delete things you don't like, if you feel something is only portraying one side of a story, you are supposed to try to clarify that its only one side, and show the other side, not delete everything. Deleting things you don't like is vandalism, wether you want to admit it or not. Generic Player 17:25, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know that the 2005 catch started on March 29 and that the text was telling that. But as an encyclopedia Wikipedia should not compete with the newspaper. Yes, I agree with you that time series of catches and quotas should be in the article. Preferable a table covering catches over several years by all sealing countries. I will look around for such information.

Meanwhile I think it is more confusing than informative adding one single number as if a disaster is happening: Hundreds of thousand seal being 'shot or clubbed to death'. The link you refer to was, as far as I can tell, to an activist group opposing sealing of political reasons. In my mind it is more relevant to discuss such issues in an environmentalist article than a straight forward article on the harp seal as such. I do not feel this is a one side of a story-issue, it more about telling the objective story (if possible).

Finally: Texts in Wikipedia are deleted all the time. This is an essential idea of the whole project, that texts are refined, corrected, modified, changed, - hopefully rather to the better than to the worse. The whole history is intact. From that perspective nothing is deleted, as it is always available. The discussion pages should be used when people do not agree and debates like this should rather be put on the discussion page of the article than here.
Arnejohs 18:00, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Its interesting that you deleted facts because you didn't like the way they were worded, and instead posted a big long quote of the opinion from a very obviously pro seal hunting organization. That's not NPOV. Anyhow, I removed the big long quote, worked in what I could from the paragraph you wrote, and added a bunch of information about both harp seals first of all, and the hunting secondarily. You can delete this section of your talk page after you read it, we can use the harp seal talk page for any other discussion. Generic Player 21:48, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ICES could hardly be labelled as a very obviously pro seal hunting organization. The scientific base of seal management is the responsibility of ICES, covered out by the most prominent seal researchers in the world. I would guess even you accept that as a NPOV.

Nevertheless I appreciate your new strategy of adding information even though I still find it rather biased. Your Canadian focus makes you forget that the Atlantic cod is more than the weak North-West Atlantic cod stock. I intend to make a few corrections if you don't mind. But don't worry, I will not delete sections (like you just did). I will however ask you to be a little bit more reserved using the very touchy term vandalism when people edit articles.
Arnejohs 22:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ICES is most certainly pro seal hunting. They do not consider ending seal hunting at all, for them it is entirely an issue of how many to kill, same with every other species. They consider wild animals to be a natural resource to be exploited, which is certainly an opinion, as many people feel otherwise. That quote would be like me putting in a page long quote from sea shepard, its not going to be very neutral.

What I wrote about cod is a pretty Canadian perspective obviously. Its not intentional, just that I am not a cod expert by any means and only really know about it from the Canadian perspective. Feel free to improve on it any way you can to reflect a more accurate global picture. I only deleted the quote because its really long for not much info, and the link to the ICES pdf covers their position pretty fully.

And I only called your deletion vandalism because the wikipedia NPOV guidelines explicitly say not to delete paragraphs containing information you think is biased, but to edit it to make it balanced. I'll try to be more tactful in the future. Generic Player 00:37, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Generic Player, you are not serious when you compare ICES with Sea Shepard! The latter is even committing crimes (like sinking ships) in their campaigns. ICES is an intergovernmental organisation with 19 member states: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America. The ICES Convention of 1964 is far from confirming your allegation. The fact that ICES was founded in 1902, long time before resource based regulation was an issue at all, should be sufficient to state my point. Today ICES gives advice based on consequence analyses from the best available biological knowledge, not recommendations. --- Arnejohs 05:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Of course I am. They are two groups with opposing viewpoints. It doesn't matter who is involved in ICES, their viewpoint is that seals, like all animals, are simply a resource. That is clearly an opinion, and not a fact. Much like moral/ethical objections are an opinion. Putting in a big quote from either side isn't helpful or on topic, simply stating that certain people feel each way, and possibly linking to their views is plenty. Consider it this way, at one point the prevailing opinion in some places was that african americans were possessions. Just because it was a majority opinion, that doesn't mean it was correct, and people who were against slavery were incorrect. People committed crimes to free slaves too, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. Sea shepard's opinion is not any less valid because they do something you disagree with. And of course, reporters and observers of the seal hunt who have cameras are assaulted and threatened all the time, both of which are criminal actions. Its misleading to pretend one side is innocent, obviously there are people on both sides of the issue that break laws.

What it comes down to is this: there's just no need for such a quote, referencing their opinion as it is now is fine. Just like there is no need for a page long quote of how cruel the hunt is, simply mentioning the veterinarians report is enough, although I should probably see if I can find a copy of it online to link to. Generic Player 17:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Photo request

Hej Arne, I found you on the list of Wikipedians from Norway and noticed that you live in Tromsø and occasionally contributed photos to Wikipedia. I'm currently in the process of bringing Rock carvings at Alta up to Featured Article quality, and I'm sorely missing a couple of photos, so I thought you have probably been to Alta and might be able to help me out. I'm especially looking for a photo of the museum building and maybe an overview of the whole site...and I'm not quite content with the fact that the article constantly talks about reindeer but there's no single photo of a reindeer carving :P If you have any photos from a previous visit to the site and would be willing to upload them, I'd be much obliged. Thanks, Ferkelparade π 13:57, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Business and Economics

Hi, Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Business and Economics? It was started recently, so it requires some people to chip in. Thanks. --Pamri • Talk 07:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whaling

The article I removed did not offer any reference to anything as far as I could detect (if you have them, I would love to see the underlying sources). It looks like a bunch of quotes glued together with some facts. It originated out of 1991, and things have been set straight after that.

As for courtcases, maybe start with these: Greenpeace Norge v. Magnus Gudmundsson and Anor, Oslo, March 17-21, 1992 (mixed verdict); Greenpeace e.V and Greenpeace Communications Ltd v. Norddeutscher Rundfunk; 7 July 1994, Landgericht Hamburg; Francisco J. Palacio v. Norddeutscher Rundfunk; 7 July 1994, Landgericht Hamburg; David McTaggart v. Norddeutscher Rundfunk; 7 July 1994, Landgericht Hamburg; Greenpeace e.V. v. Norddeutscher Rundfunk; 12 July 1994, Landgericht Hamburg. --KimvdLinde 22:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Harp Seal

In the future, when attempting to edit articles, please learn how to do so before breaking a completely viable and functional article. Your removal of data, Categories and Interwiki-links is detrimental to the improvement of Wikipedia, if you need a place to mess with, try your own user page. Nate 20:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I admit that the categories were removed accidentally and I am sorry for that. I did not notice, thank your for correcting for that. But I also feel it is a bit unfair to blame me. As you soon will see if you go through the history of the harp seal article I have actually been trying to save the article I once started in May 2004. --- Arnejohs 22:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Bioeconomics

(Posted also on my page-JQ)

Dear John Quiggin, In my opinion it is obviously wrong to categorise Bioeconomics as Heterodox economics, as Bioeconomics builds directly on classical Welfare economics and applies a classical capital theoretic approach. Therefore I urge you to remove the Heterodox economics tag. Thank you. --- Arnejohs 18:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article gives two definitions. The first is the one you describe, and the second referring to a paradigmatic shift towards a holistic synthesis of economics and biology. This latter definition seems to be assumed in a number of the links to bioeconomics, and it's for that reason that I added the Heteredox economics tag. Maybe you could expand the article with some references to clarify all this. JQ 20:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, I have placed an explanatory scentence in the image description, but am not sure what is asked for ("use rationale"). I also have uploaded the logo of University of Tromsø and suppose this is the next to be deleted. A strange practise, which I suppose is specially designed for the situation people in US of A is facing... --Arnejohs 16:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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January 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Fishing down the food web, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. The reverted edit can be found here. Thank you. Vrenator (talk) 15:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To your information: I have been editing and making articles at Wikipedia since February 2004, not always very active. It is frustrating to see that this place has become a playground for ignorant people without proper knowledge and academic standard. If it is not constructive to refer to scientific works published in Science and Nature contradicting viewpoints pretending to be truth, I am out.Arnejohs (talk) 15:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Vrenator, do you place your welcomes automatically or do you actually read the stuff? As you will see if you take the bother to read through the text you will find two references placed there in accordance with the added text. Arnejohs (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do read the text which is why when you put in the versions without your personal opinions I did not revert. I apologise if I offended you with the templates.Vrenator (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For your information: It is a fact that the viewpoints of Pauly et al. are disputed (in the scientific community), it's not my personal opinion. The two references illustrates this fact clearly enough. Further: I am not offended, but - as previously said - I am a little bit frustrated. I have never seen vandalism being removed as fast as my attempt of balance this quite so strongly biased article... Arnejohs (talk) 16:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I see you are still editing. I wrote that article Arnejohs. That was before those other disputed opinions existed. I find your comments objectionable. Please explain exactly why that article, at the time it was written, was "strongly biased". --Epipelagic (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are in fact not correct when assuming the criticism of Pauly et al.'s article to be new. Already the same year as their article in Science (1998) Caddy, Csirke, Garcia and Grainger responded in the same journal (In their article "How pervasive is 'Fishing down marine food webs'? Science 282, 1383a in 1998) and contradicted Pauly's findings (which was based on model simulations) on the background of FAO statistics. It boils down to a question of beliveing what we see goes on in the world fisheries or in some scientists models. Unfortunately. Arnejohs (talk)

Here is the article as I originally wrote it in March 2010‎. I devoted an entire section to discussing the 1998 Cady paper. How could you have missed that? You never really bothered to even read the article, did you? There is new criticism of Pauly's position which was available at the time of your very angry (and very messy) rewrite of the article. You have made no attempt to discuss any matters with me, or communicate why you are so angry. I have been waiting for the dust to settle further in the literature before updating the article properly. If you are willing to work, instead, in a collegial way and try to present fishery articles in a balanced way, then I would deeply appreciate your involvement. --Epipelagic (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your refusal to engage here is disappointing behaviour. Since you haven't bothered to reply, I have reverted your edits. --Epipelagic (talk) 09:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian whaling statistics

I'm looking for the numbers used to create this graph on Norwegian whaling. I have found these numbers on small whale catches since 1939, but I'm not sure if they're the same. The quota numbers are also not listed there. I'm hoping to update the graph and provide a gnuplot script to make updating this in the future straightforward. Can you point me to the source for these numbers? Thanks! — ʞɔıu 17:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I use one of your photos

Hello Arnejohs!

I have used a photo of Mytilus edulis in my free software educational proyect "Animalandia" (http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org)

You can see directly in the follow link:

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/imagen.php?id=45185

If you wish (and I hope yes), you can send me (via fernando.lison@educa.madrid.org) some letters or/and a photo for your "contributor profile" in Animalandia:

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/autor.php?nombre=Arnejohs

I want show to my students (and so everybody) that Animalandia is make for "real person", and I can tell them about "generosity", "share" and other similar words that we use very few at this time...

This is my "contributor profile" and others, for example:

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/autor.php?nombre=Fernando%20Lis%F3n%20Mart%EDn

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/autor.php?nombre=Carmen%20Jim%E9nez

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/autor.php?nombre=David%20P%E9rez

http://animalandia.educa.madrid.org/autor.php?nombre=Steve%20Garvie%20%28Rainbirder%29

In the future, I use more of your photos, I sure!

Thank you for the licence and, of course, for your splendid photos!!

Regards!

Fernando Lisón, from Spain --Fernando.lison (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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